0002904: AI tanks shooting helos like they have a railgun. (Reopened)

(0005719)
reyhard (administrator)
2017-01-18 20:39

ai is now able to change ammo according to target type so don't you mistake "railgun" with atgm?

(0005743)
7ftnick (reporter)
2017-01-20 05:34
edited on: 2017-01-20 05:35

No, its HEAT rounds. Abrams do not even have atgm. Just place a helicopter in the air and 4 abrams on the ground (just make sure their guns can raise high enough to target you). And they will shoot you out of the sky with their main cannons.

I think it is related to:
^ Added airLock=1 to tank ATGMs & HEATs- AI should now engage helicopters with them

(0005744)
7ftnick (reporter)
2017-01-20 06:27
edited on: 2017-01-20 06:34

Checked it again.
I tried shooting helo with ATGM from t90, it is possible, everything is okay.
With a HEAT I did not manage to hit as the round was dropping to the ground.
And abramses do not even have target tracking.
Here is a sequence:
http://i.imgur.com/wnFSPMH.jpg [^]
http://i.imgur.com/oOKmoma.jpg [^]
http://i.imgur.com/P9gHsXp.jpg [^]
http://i.imgur.com/FoUItWt.jpg [^]

Perhaps it can be tweaked if the chopper`s speed is not greater than 5kph then it can be shot with a HEAT round.

(0005745)
reyhard (administrator)
2017-01-20 06:38

so it's only abrams affected, not all rhs tanks, right? I think mpat rounds are missing maxLeadParam so they can take out fast flying assets. Otherwise keep in mind that MPAT have some AA capabilities due to proximity and distance fuze (which are not available for players yet)

(0005747)
7ftnick (reporter)
2017-01-20 09:01
edited on: 2017-01-20 11:01

No, those tanks that have ATGM are using it.
E.G. T-80 that does not have ATGM shoots heat just like an abrams, and it has bad optics and no target lead capability. It is just not possible for a human player to shoot like that.

Man they even shoot planes out with the main cannon (although on a slow approach).

(0005769)
reyhard (administrator)
2017-01-21 10:23

please use correct project tags!

ai will engage helicopters & airplanes with HEAT rounds when their speed bellow 35km/h.

(0006621)
reyhard (administrator)
2017-10-03 08:00

Reduced maxLeadSpeed for heat rounds

(0006625)
7ftnick (reporter)
2017-10-03 12:46

They shoot planes as well lol.

Is the speed back to 35kph now ?

(0006919)
7ftnick (reporter)
2017-10-29 02:32

It is happening again, just got shot with a SABOT flying at 196kph.

(0006922)
reyhard (administrator)
2017-10-29 12:16

happened with vanilla ai too - I will investigate that work but it might be some data change in a3 itself which caused it

(0006960)
Mr Mack (reporter)
2017-11-04 02:24
edited on: 2017-11-04 02:24

According to Ammunition on 120mm use by m1 family. The MPAT can shoot down choppers using MPAT which allows the M1 Abrams to use the round against helicopters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_120_mm_gun#Ammunition [^]

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2017-01-18 13:07	7ftnick	New Issue
2017-01-18 20:39	reyhard	Note Added: 0005719
2017-01-18 20:39	reyhard	Assigned To	=> reyhard
2017-01-18 20:39	reyhard	Status	new => feedback
2017-01-20 05:34	7ftnick	Note Added: 0005743
2017-01-20 05:34	7ftnick	Status	feedback => new
2017-01-20 05:35	7ftnick	Note Edited: 0005743	View Revisions
2017-01-20 06:27	7ftnick	Note Added: 0005744
2017-01-20 06:28	7ftnick	Note Edited: 0005744	View Revisions
2017-01-20 06:28	7ftnick	Note Edited: 0005744	View Revisions
2017-01-20 06:29	7ftnick	Note Edited: 0005744	View Revisions
2017-01-20 06:34	7ftnick	Note Edited: 0005744	View Revisions
2017-01-20 06:38	reyhard	Note Added: 0005745
2017-01-20 06:38	reyhard	Status	new => feedback
2017-01-20 09:01	7ftnick	Note Added: 0005747
2017-01-20 09:01	7ftnick	Status	feedback => new
2017-01-20 09:09	7ftnick	Note Edited: 0005747	View Revisions
2017-01-20 11:01	7ftnick	Note Edited: 0005747	View Revisions
2017-01-20 11:54	reyhard	Severity	major => minor
2017-01-21 10:23	reyhard	Note Added: 0005769
2017-01-21 10:23	reyhard	Status	new => resolved
2017-01-21 10:23	reyhard	Fixed in Version	=> 0.4.2.1
2017-01-21 10:23	reyhard	Resolution	open => fixed
2017-10-02 18:17	7ftnick	Status	resolved => new
2017-10-02 18:17	7ftnick	Summary	AI tanks shooting helos like they have a railgun. => AI tanks shooting helos like they have a railgun. (Reopened)
2017-10-02 18:17	7ftnick	Description Updated	View Revisions
2017-10-03 08:00	reyhard	Note Added: 0006621
2017-10-03 08:00	reyhard	Status	new => resolved
2017-10-03 08:00	reyhard	Fixed in Version	0.4.2.1 => 0.4.3.1
2017-10-03 12:46	7ftnick	Note Added: 0006625
2017-10-29 02:32	7ftnick	Status	resolved => new
2017-10-29 02:32	7ftnick	Resolution	fixed => reopened
2017-10-29 02:32	7ftnick	Note Added: 0006919
2017-10-29 12:16	reyhard	Note Added: 0006922
2017-10-29 12:16	reyhard	Status	new => closed
2017-10-29 12:16	reyhard	Resolution	reopened => suspended
2017-11-04 02:24	Mr Mack	Note Added: 0006960
2017-11-04 02:24	Mr Mack	Note Edited: 0006960	View Revisions

Notes
(0005719) reyhard (administrator) 2017-01-18 20:39	ai is now able to change ammo according to target type so don't you mistake "railgun" with atgm?

(0005743) 7ftnick (reporter) 2017-01-20 05:34 edited on: 2017-01-20 05:35	No, its HEAT rounds. Abrams do not even have atgm. Just place a helicopter in the air and 4 abrams on the ground (just make sure their guns can raise high enough to target you). And they will shoot you out of the sky with their main cannons. I think it is related to: ^ Added airLock=1 to tank ATGMs & HEATs- AI should now engage helicopters with them

(0005744) 7ftnick (reporter) 2017-01-20 06:27 edited on: 2017-01-20 06:34	Checked it again. I tried shooting helo with ATGM from t90, it is possible, everything is okay. With a HEAT I did not manage to hit as the round was dropping to the ground. And abramses do not even have target tracking. Here is a sequence: http://i.imgur.com/wnFSPMH.jpg [^] http://i.imgur.com/oOKmoma.jpg [^] http://i.imgur.com/P9gHsXp.jpg [^] http://i.imgur.com/FoUItWt.jpg [^] Perhaps it can be tweaked if the chopper`s speed is not greater than 5kph then it can be shot with a HEAT round.

(0005745) reyhard (administrator) 2017-01-20 06:38	so it's only abrams affected, not all rhs tanks, right? I think mpat rounds are missing maxLeadParam so they can take out fast flying assets. Otherwise keep in mind that MPAT have some AA capabilities due to proximity and distance fuze (which are not available for players yet)

(0005747) 7ftnick (reporter) 2017-01-20 09:01 edited on: 2017-01-20 11:01	No, those tanks that have ATGM are using it. E.G. T-80 that does not have ATGM shoots heat just like an abrams, and it has bad optics and no target lead capability. It is just not possible for a human player to shoot like that. Man they even shoot planes out with the main cannon (although on a slow approach).

(0005769) reyhard (administrator) 2017-01-21 10:23	please use correct project tags! ai will engage helicopters & airplanes with HEAT rounds when their speed bellow 35km/h.

(0006621) reyhard (administrator) 2017-10-03 08:00	Reduced maxLeadSpeed for heat rounds

(0006625) 7ftnick (reporter) 2017-10-03 12:46	They shoot planes as well lol. Is the speed back to 35kph now ?

(0006919) 7ftnick (reporter) 2017-10-29 02:32	It is happening again, just got shot with a SABOT flying at 196kph.

(0006922) reyhard (administrator) 2017-10-29 12:16	happened with vanilla ai too - I will investigate that work but it might be some data change in a3 itself which caused it

(0006960) Mr Mack (reporter) 2017-11-04 02:24 edited on: 2017-11-04 02:24	According to Ammunition on 120mm use by m1 family. The MPAT can shoot down choppers using MPAT which allows the M1 Abrams to use the round against helicopters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_120_mm_gun#Ammunition [^]

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