0001376: RPG Rounds detonate too much kontakt-1 era blocks

(0002772)
Bakerman (viewer)
2015-11-15 20:23

Small ERA bricks are grouped because simulating individual bricks is not feasible.

(0003549)
Michalm1393 (viewer)
2016-01-10 18:32
edited on: 2016-01-10 18:33

I just played rebel T-72 - one rpg took 6 to 8 era bricks. Frustrated went to editor, tested on abrams TUSK - only 2 era brick exploded. So this is possible, just create more era hitpoints.

(0003550)
reyhard (administrator)
2016-01-10 18:37

t72 obr 85 has same amount of era hitpoints as tusk abrams.

(0003572)
Michalm1393 (viewer)
2016-01-11 15:34
edited on: 2016-01-11 15:45

TUSK I maybe yes, but tusk II not. It seems to be depend on projectile - detonating era on all tanks with rpg-26 from side (T-72B'85, Abrams Tusk 1, Tusk 2) seems to be very random - T-72 gets destroyed very often by RPG-26 (penetrating ERA, RHA) and everytime ERA is destroyed on turret and on hull, while on TUSK 2 only 2 era block get destroyed (hull only). Tusk I era got allways 6 blocks blow up. So era on T-72 and Tusk I need little, very little tweak. RPG-26 cannot destroy tank with era. On video i didnt destroyed it only once, - once per 5 trials.
https://youtu.be/VcspQaoHCHo [^]

(0003573)
reyhard (administrator)
2016-01-11 15:51

tusk I has same amount of hull era hitpoints as tusk II. so your point is still invalid.

(0003575)
Bad Tankman (viewer)
2016-01-11 18:14
edited on: 2016-01-11 18:21

look at attachments Tusks have 16 hitpoints on the hull side, T-72 have 3. In my opinion its definetly too few - same on front armor - reason why the bricks are so small is less bricks to change after hit. Now this reason is invisible - number of detonating bricks is too big. BTW bricks on turret should not explode when round is hitting hull, and ERA is little more vulnerable to Thermobaric rounds

(0003577)
reyhard (administrator)
2016-01-11 19:02

you still don't get the point

(0003588)
Bad Tankman (viewer)
2016-01-12 12:25
edited on: 2016-01-17 20:05

Please, can you explain? I created ticket with bug about T-72 kontact 1 era blocks (about their hitpoints number to increase). Now single shot detonate 1/3 era bricks on hull and on turret. On video i attached you can simply see in RL this is not possible.

@Reyhard - you sayed T-72 obr 1985 have same ammount of hitpoints as TUSK, then that Tusk = Tusk 2, so all tanks have same ammount of hitpoints? I see how it works, and it works wrong. On tusk 2 ERA isnt detonating on turret and hull at same time, and there is more separate hitpoinst on tusk 2 side.

(0003660)
reyhard (administrator)
2016-01-17 20:57

read carefully what I said about tusk I & tusk II hitpoints

(0003666)
Bad Tankman (viewer)
2016-01-18 13:57
edited on: 2016-01-18 13:58

t72 obr 85 has same amount of era hitpoints as tusk abrams

tusk I has same amount of hull era hitpoints as tusk II

So all of them have same ammount of era? Its not true. I mean sides of hull and number of detonated era block after single hit with small AT weapons like AT4 or RPG-26. Also ERA on turret should not explode after hitting hull thats all.

(0003907)
Michalm1393 (viewer)
2016-02-24 13:28
edited on: 2016-02-24 13:57

I was looking for this ticket, but didnt know its closed. Maybe someone can give us a light? While we can clearly see, the RPG 26 rocket hits the T-72 in the side and detonate ERA BOTH on hull and on turret which should not happen, then the same rocket hit TUSK II and detonate era only on hull in smaller number this isnt the same ammount of exploded era, isnt it?

More, there is not right armor for era, i can destroy T-72 in 7/10 tests when shoting side era on hull. Its happen also on T-90 with Kontakt-5 ERA which should not happen.

https://youtu.be/NkAzrt0O_R4 [^]

(0003911)
RedPhoenix (developer)
2016-02-24 15:05

"Small ERA bricks are grouped because simulating individual bricks is not feasible."

(0003917)
Michalm1393 (viewer)
2016-02-24 17:40
edited on: 2016-02-24 17:54

Yes, but its somehow feasible on TUSK II. We're not asking to simulate every brick, just to divide it to smaller hitpoints - just same area sizes as on Tusk 2. RPG cannot detonate hull + turret era at least...... If you dont want to increase hitpoints.... And still there is too much damage from RPG-26 and AT-4. My proposition and actual state is in image.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2015-11-15 17:16	Bad Tankman	New Issue
2015-11-15 20:23	Bakerman	Note Added: 0002772
2015-11-15 20:23	Bakerman	Status	new => closed
2015-11-15 20:23	Bakerman	Assigned To	=> Bakerman
2015-11-15 20:23	Bakerman	Resolution	open => no change required
2016-01-10 18:32	Michalm1393	Note Added: 0003549
2016-01-10 18:33	Michalm1393	Note Edited: 0003549	View Revisions
2016-01-10 18:37	reyhard	Note Added: 0003550
2016-01-11 15:34	Michalm1393	Note Added: 0003572
2016-01-11 15:38	Michalm1393	Note Edited: 0003572	View Revisions
2016-01-11 15:45	Michalm1393	Note Edited: 0003572	View Revisions
2016-01-11 15:51	reyhard	Note Added: 0003573
2016-01-11 18:14	Bad Tankman	Note Added: 0003575
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2016-01-18 13:57	Bad Tankman	Note Added: 0003666
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2016-02-24 15:05	RedPhoenix	Note Added: 0003911
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2016-02-24 17:49	Michalm1393	File Added: Divided.jpg
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Notes
(0002772) Bakerman (viewer) 2015-11-15 20:23	Small ERA bricks are grouped because simulating individual bricks is not feasible.

(0003549) Michalm1393 (viewer) 2016-01-10 18:32 edited on: 2016-01-10 18:33	I just played rebel T-72 - one rpg took 6 to 8 era bricks. Frustrated went to editor, tested on abrams TUSK - only 2 era brick exploded. So this is possible, just create more era hitpoints.

(0003550) reyhard (administrator) 2016-01-10 18:37	t72 obr 85 has same amount of era hitpoints as tusk abrams.

(0003572) Michalm1393 (viewer) 2016-01-11 15:34 edited on: 2016-01-11 15:45	TUSK I maybe yes, but tusk II not. It seems to be depend on projectile - detonating era on all tanks with rpg-26 from side (T-72B'85, Abrams Tusk 1, Tusk 2) seems to be very random - T-72 gets destroyed very often by RPG-26 (penetrating ERA, RHA) and everytime ERA is destroyed on turret and on hull, while on TUSK 2 only 2 era block get destroyed (hull only). Tusk I era got allways 6 blocks blow up. So era on T-72 and Tusk I need little, very little tweak. RPG-26 cannot destroy tank with era. On video i didnt destroyed it only once, - once per 5 trials. https://youtu.be/VcspQaoHCHo [^]

(0003573) reyhard (administrator) 2016-01-11 15:51	tusk I has same amount of hull era hitpoints as tusk II. so your point is still invalid.

(0003575) Bad Tankman (viewer) 2016-01-11 18:14 edited on: 2016-01-11 18:21	look at attachments Tusks have 16 hitpoints on the hull side, T-72 have 3. In my opinion its definetly too few - same on front armor - reason why the bricks are so small is less bricks to change after hit. Now this reason is invisible - number of detonating bricks is too big. BTW bricks on turret should not explode when round is hitting hull, and ERA is little more vulnerable to Thermobaric rounds

(0003577) reyhard (administrator) 2016-01-11 19:02	you still don't get the point

(0003588) Bad Tankman (viewer) 2016-01-12 12:25 edited on: 2016-01-17 20:05	Please, can you explain? I created ticket with bug about T-72 kontact 1 era blocks (about their hitpoints number to increase). Now single shot detonate 1/3 era bricks on hull and on turret. On video i attached you can simply see in RL this is not possible. @Reyhard - you sayed T-72 obr 1985 have same ammount of hitpoints as TUSK, then that Tusk = Tusk 2, so all tanks have same ammount of hitpoints? I see how it works, and it works wrong. On tusk 2 ERA isnt detonating on turret and hull at same time, and there is more separate hitpoinst on tusk 2 side.

(0003660) reyhard (administrator) 2016-01-17 20:57	read carefully what I said about tusk I & tusk II hitpoints

(0003666) Bad Tankman (viewer) 2016-01-18 13:57 edited on: 2016-01-18 13:58	t72 obr 85 has same amount of era hitpoints as tusk abrams tusk I has same amount of hull era hitpoints as tusk II So all of them have same ammount of era? Its not true. I mean sides of hull and number of detonated era block after single hit with small AT weapons like AT4 or RPG-26. Also ERA on turret should not explode after hitting hull thats all.

(0003907) Michalm1393 (viewer) 2016-02-24 13:28 edited on: 2016-02-24 13:57	I was looking for this ticket, but didnt know its closed. Maybe someone can give us a light? While we can clearly see, the RPG 26 rocket hits the T-72 in the side and detonate ERA BOTH on hull and on turret which should not happen, then the same rocket hit TUSK II and detonate era only on hull in smaller number this isnt the same ammount of exploded era, isnt it? More, there is not right armor for era, i can destroy T-72 in 7/10 tests when shoting side era on hull. Its happen also on T-90 with Kontakt-5 ERA which should not happen. https://youtu.be/NkAzrt0O_R4 [^]

(0003911) RedPhoenix (developer) 2016-02-24 15:05	"Small ERA bricks are grouped because simulating individual bricks is not feasible."

(0003917) Michalm1393 (viewer) 2016-02-24 17:40 edited on: 2016-02-24 17:54	Yes, but its somehow feasible on TUSK II. We're not asking to simulate every brick, just to divide it to smaller hitpoints - just same area sizes as on Tusk 2. RPG cannot detonate hull + turret era at least...... If you dont want to increase hitpoints.... And still there is too much damage from RPG-26 and AT-4. My proposition and actual state is in image.

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