0000608: seat switch restriction for vehicles (added evidences)

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(0001341) cych (reporter) 2015-05-06 10:58	Also if any of you eevr played Arma 2, this feature was part of the ACE 2 mod, which have been debated precisley during it's developpment, and we had former tank user confirming the feature.

(0001342) MistyRonin (administrator) 2015-05-06 11:35 edited on: 2015-05-06 11:38	Cych, so we are all on the same page, whenever we close a task is because we have asked our experts on the subject and took an informated decision (some of us are former or in-active military, additionally we have some students in military science). So, for the good working of this tracker, I have to ask you to please stop creating duplicated issues. On a side note, a good amount of us are in the community since OFP (including me). :)

(0001343) cych (reporter) 2015-05-06 11:38 edited on: 2015-05-06 11:53	with due all respect, you should reconsider some of your "experts"... :) If they are not aware of such simple feature concerning the vehicles i mentionned that's embarrassing. I'm still waiting for them to prove the contrary (pictures, datas, documents) of the sources I provided. once again this feature has been already debated for ACE 2 years ago, and we had solid witnessing and documents proving this. It's easy to close a ticket saying "our experts says it doesn't exist", rather than checking the obvious facts.

(0001344) MistyRonin (administrator) 2015-05-06 11:54	In fact, our experts have real life experience with those vehicles (they have been inside the vehicles you mentioned), and confirmed me again that is possible to move from the driver compartment to the gunner and commander positions. Hence I proceed to close this thread once and for all, any more duplicates will be also closed.

(0001345) MistyRonin (administrator) 2015-05-06 12:17 edited on: 2015-05-06 12:52	Documentation on the matter provided by the experts: M1 Abrams first: http://hotdigitalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Abrams_Turret.jpg [^] Turret basket visible, you can see openings through which driver can move inside turret. http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-779447cea71c0791f360de47c7cf7707?convert_to_webp=true [^] Here you can see mesh doors removed from gunner station and we can see a driver compartment where hatch is opened and sun light is visible. You can also see part of driver seat. There are two such openings, one near loader station, second near gunner station. Driver to move from his station to turret, need to have turret rotated in such way that gunner or loader stations are in line with his station. Then gunner or loader needs to open a small sliding door made from steel mesh. It is made so in case of emergency if his hatch can't be opened, driver can escape or be evacuated by other crew members through turret. T-64/T-80/T-84 and T-72/T-90 autoloaders. https://youtu.be/aD-GyRWohp8?t=2151 [^] This video shows how driver can move in to turret in T-64/80/84 series of tanks, and shows that autoloader in T-72 is so low, that driver can move in to a turret tough it's not comfortable. http://data.primeportal.net/tanks/marek_solar/t-72_int/t-72_int_15_of_32.JPG [^] Here is T-72 from driver station, you can see there is enough space to crawl in to turret : of course if turret is in proper positions, on the photo it isn't https://youtu.be/7gx1-DLxcw0?t=780 [^] holes in bmd turret basket & cutovers from bmd https://youtu.be/ckYytN7eG98?t=327 [^] http://www.brdm2.estranky.cz/img/original/24128/bvp-2-predni-bojova-cast.jpg [^] BMP-2 drivers seat at the edge of the picture, its the turret basket https://youtu.be/zuNJqQIMEuI?t=40 [^]

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2015-05-06 10:54	cych	New Issue
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