0003595: All M249 PIP variants should not weigh the same

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Summary	0003595: All M249 PIP variants should not weigh the same

Revision	2017-10-06 12:26 by fragthecullen
Description	In-game, all variants of the M249 PIP weigh 16.28 lbs, regardless of barrel length, stock, or bipod, which makes no sense. TL;DR: rhs_weap_m249 - 156.5 rhs_weap_m249_pip_l - 181.1 lbs rhs_weap_m249_pip_l_para - 176.5 rhs_weap_m249_pip_l_vfg - 161.1 rhs_weap_m249_pip_s - 164.1 rhs_weap_m249_pip_s_para - 159.5 rhs_weap_m249_pip_s_vfg - 144.1 rhs_weap_m249_pip - 170.0 Lots of research done here: The M249 model in-game is actually an FN Minimi, not an M249. With that in mind, modernfirearms.net (ref 1) cites the FN Minimi as weighing 15.65 lbs. According to a study published by dtic.mil (ref 2), the difference in weight between a standard barrel (seen in long variants) and a Mk 46 barrel (seen in short variants) is 1.7lbs. The M249 PIP (Short) is the main configuration of the PIP; according to globalsecurity.org (ref 3), it listed at 16.41 lbs. The M249 PIP (Long) is the same variant, but with a long barrel installed. Add 1.7 lbs, and it will weigh 18.11 lbs. The M249 (Short/Para) is the same as listed on the FN website (ref 4), listed at 15.95 lbs. The M249 (Long/Para) is the same variant, but with a long barrel installed. Add 1.7 lbs, and it will weigh 17.65 lbs. According to a forum post (ref 5) made by soldiers looking to reduce the weight of their weapon by removing the bipod and replacing it with a GripPod, removing the bipod "allows you to ditch 2lbs of crappy bipod weight." The M249 (Short/VFG) is the same as the M249 PIP (Short), but with the bipod removed, so it should weigh 14.41 lbs. The M249 (Long/VFG) is an M249 PIP (Short) with the above modifications (long barrel, no bipod), so it should weigh 16.11 lbs. The M249 (Solid Stock) variant is the same as listed on the FN website (ref 6), listed at 17 lbs.

Revision	2017-10-06 12:28 by fragthecullen
Description	In-game, all variants of the M249 PIP weigh 16.28 lbs, regardless of barrel length, stock, or bipod, which makes no sense. TL;DR: rhs_weap_m249 - 156.5 rhs_weap_m249_pip_l - 181.1 lbs rhs_weap_m249_pip_l_para - 176.5 rhs_weap_m249_pip_l_vfg - 161.1 rhs_weap_m249_pip_s - 164.1 rhs_weap_m249_pip_s_para - 159.5 rhs_weap_m249_pip_s_vfg - 144.1 rhs_weap_m249_pip - 170.0 Lots of research done here: The M249 model in-game is actually an FN Minimi, not an M249. With that in mind, modernfirearms.net (ref 1) cites the FN Minimi as weighing 15.65 lbs. According to a study published by dtic.mil (ref 2) about M249 barrel weight reduction, the difference in weight between a standard barrel (seen in long variants) and a Mk 46 barrel (seen in short variants) is 1.7lbs [before their experimental weight reduction]. The M249 PIP (Short) is the main configuration of the PIP; according to globalsecurity.org (ref 3), it listed at 16.41 lbs. The M249 PIP (Long) is the same variant, but with a long barrel installed. Add 1.7 lbs, and it will weigh 18.11 lbs. The M249 (Short/Para) is the same as listed on the FN website (ref 4), listed at 15.95 lbs. The M249 (Long/Para) is the same variant, but with a long barrel installed. Add 1.7 lbs, and it will weigh 17.65 lbs. According to a forum post (ref 5) made by soldiers looking to reduce the weight of their weapon by removing the bipod and replacing it with a GripPod, removing the bipod "allows you to ditch 2lbs of crappy bipod weight." The M249 (Short/VFG) is the same as the M249 PIP (Short), but with the bipod removed, so it should weigh 14.41 lbs. The M249 (Long/VFG) is an M249 PIP (Short) with the above modifications (long barrel, no bipod), so it should weigh 16.11 lbs. The M249 (Solid Stock) variant is the same as listed on the FN website (ref 6), listed at 17 lbs.

Revision	2017-10-06 12:26 by fragthecullen
Additional Information	Ref 1: http://modernfirearms.net/machine/be/fn-minimi-e.html [^] Ref 2: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a434693.pdf [^] Ref 3: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m249-specs.htm [^] Ref 4: https://fnamerica.com/products/machine-guns/fn-m249-para/ [^] Ref 5: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/69268-grippod/#entry672128 [^] Ref 6: https://fnamerica.com/products/machine-guns/fn-m249-saw/ [^]

Revision	2017-10-06 12:33 by fragthecullen
Additional Information	Ref 1: http://modernfirearms.net/machine/be/fn-minimi-e.html [^] Ref 2: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a434693.pdf [^] Page 7 of the pdf, first paragraph. Ref 3: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m249-specs.htm [^] Ref 4: https://fnamerica.com/products/machine-guns/fn-m249-para/ [^] Ref 5: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/69268-grippod/#entry672128 [^] Ref 6: https://fnamerica.com/products/machine-guns/fn-m249-saw/ [^]

Revision	2017-10-06 12:34 by fragthecullen
Description	In-game, all variants of the M249 PIP weigh 16.28 lbs, regardless of barrel length, stock, or bipod, which makes no sense. TL;DR: rhs_weap_m249 - 156.5 rhs_weap_m249_pip_l - 181.1 rhs_weap_m249_pip_l_para - 176.5 rhs_weap_m249_pip_l_vfg - 161.1 rhs_weap_m249_pip_s - 164.1 rhs_weap_m249_pip_s_para - 159.5 rhs_weap_m249_pip_s_vfg - 144.1 rhs_weap_m249_pip - 170.0 Lots of research done here: The M249 model in-game is actually an FN Minimi, not an M249. With that in mind, modernfirearms.net (ref 1) cites the FN Minimi as weighing 15.65 lbs. According to a study published by dtic.mil (ref 2) about M249 barrel weight reduction, the difference in weight between a standard barrel (seen in long variants) and a Mk 46 barrel (seen in short variants) is 1.7lbs [before their experimental weight reduction]. The M249 PIP (Short) is the main configuration of the PIP; according to globalsecurity.org (ref 3), it listed at 16.41 lbs. The M249 PIP (Long) is the same variant, but with a long barrel installed. Add 1.7 lbs, and it will weigh 18.11 lbs. The M249 (Short/Para) is the same as listed on the FN website (ref 4), listed at 15.95 lbs. The M249 (Long/Para) is the same variant, but with a long barrel installed. Add 1.7 lbs, and it will weigh 17.65 lbs. According to a forum post (ref 5) made by soldiers looking to reduce the weight of their weapon by removing the bipod and replacing it with a GripPod, removing the bipod "allows you to ditch 2lbs of crappy bipod weight." The M249 (Short/VFG) is the same as the M249 PIP (Short), but with the bipod removed, so it should weigh 14.41 lbs. The M249 (Long/VFG) is an M249 PIP (Short) with the above modifications (long barrel, no bipod), so it should weigh 16.11 lbs. The M249 (Solid Stock) variant is the same as listed on the FN website (ref 6), listed at 17 lbs.