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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update | ||||||||
| 0001511 | AFRF | [All Projects] General | public | 2015-12-18 14:45 | 2015-12-25 14:23 | ||||||||
| Reporter | GGG3 | ||||||||||||
| Assigned To | reyhard | ||||||||||||
| Priority | none | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | always | ||||||||
| Status | resolved | Resolution | fixed | ||||||||||
| Platform | OS | OS Version | |||||||||||
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| Target Version | Fixed in Version | 0.4.1 | |||||||||||
| Summary | 0001511: reloading to a different type of ammunition is bugged on all russian tanks | ||||||||||||
| Description | Bugs : 1. Sometimes after firing a lot , changing type of shell multiple times u shell type can stuck, often happens when one type of shells already depleted 2. Very often when one type of shells is depleted , shell type will be automatically changed to new but after few shots returned to depleted one | ||||||||||||
| Steps To Reproduce | 1. Go to editor. 2. Place any russian tank, t-90a for example 3. Go to gunner, Switch to main gun 4. Fire multiple times. switch shell type multiple times. Fire until one type of shells will be depleted 5. Continue changing ammo , and firing like crazy , use time x4 if bored, and very soon u will achieve bugs for sure | ||||||||||||
| Tags | No tags attached. | ||||||||||||
| Is it a wish/request? | No | ||||||||||||
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| Arma 3 version | 1.54 | ||||||||||||
| Did you used any other mod when the error occurred? | No | ||||||||||||
| Which mods? | Only Arma 3 and RHS, nothing more | ||||||||||||
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(0003103) Bad Tankman (viewer) 2015-12-18 14:55 |
Agree. It may be connected with : http://feedback.rhsmods.org/view.php?id=1491 [^] still need a little work. |
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(0003130) reyhard (administrator) 2015-12-19 14:51 |
could you try other tanks than t80uk & t90a, like t72b obr85? |
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(0003131) 7ftnick (reporter) 2015-12-19 14:55 |
Are you using X to switch ammo or action menu ? |
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(0003132) 7ftnick (reporter) 2015-12-19 14:58 |
For me everything works fine, just need to remember to switch to sights. because weapon shell type change does not work if you are in viewport mode, you need to be in sight mode. (At least that`s what Alex said) |
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(0003135) Bad Tankman (viewer) 2015-12-19 15:59 edited on: 2015-12-19 16:00 |
But there is a diferent problem. Switching ammo by action menu. If you choose HE-FRAG (still by action menu) ammo switcher will move to O position (ok), and next round SHOULD BE HE-FRAG, but it isnt, nex round still will be previously type of round and clicking other rounds FROM ACTION menu will not work. And off course you cant manually reload cannon - its obvious its more time consuming, but its possible. |
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(0003139) reyhard (administrator) 2015-12-19 17:16 |
Bad Tankman - have you tried 7ftnick tip? |
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(0003141) Bad Tankman (viewer) 2015-12-19 19:27 |
In this way it works, i know this, but i just extended GGG3 report ;) |
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(0003142) GGG3 (reporter) 2015-12-19 19:35 edited on: 2015-12-19 21:31 |
7ftnick. Thanks for advise, i didnt know that i should be in sight mode to change type of shell by pressing X so i used action mode instead. And how many minutes u spend doing tests becouse after few minutes i thought that with X everything is fine but sadly a minute later i encounetred same bugs. I have updated description and steps , try to reproduce it now Reyhard First of all thx for great update! Following 7ftnick advise i just tested t90a and t72b and other tanks using X to change shell type instead of action mode. Still same problems. Sometimes its stuck, Sometimes its fine but not for a long time, almost everytime when ammo depleted it automaticly switch to new but then after few shots to depleted one again. I think that bugs somehow connected to problem noticed by bad tankman. ANd i have updated description and steps, try to reproduce it now Bad Tankman I encountered that bug but i thought that is not the bug but autoloader limitation. Right now i think that wrong implementation of its limitations is cause of bugs i encountered. SO yeah i think its connnected |
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(0003147) GGG3 (reporter) 2015-12-19 21:21 |
Description of bugs changed to more precise. |
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(0003156) reyhard (administrator) 2015-12-20 14:18 |
2 was fixed but I'm unable to reproduce issue no 1. can you describe under which circumstance it happens? |
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(0003159) Numrollen (reporter) 2015-12-20 16:22 edited on: 2015-12-20 18:12 |
Can confirm the ammo changing bug. I cant change main ammo in russian tank with action menu. It worked on all versions before, now i cant "confirm" the action menu selection. :edit: even with hotkey (space for me) i only can "Pre load" the next ammo. AP loaded, change ammo to HEFrag, nothing happens. After shot with AP it changes to HEFrag :: :edit2: Also the FCS target lead only works on US side, for russian tanks it dont work anymore :: Very sad, we planned a russian campain with 2 tanks for our clan :-/ |
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(0003165) reyhard (administrator) 2015-12-20 18:07 |
@Numrollen - you can't reload autoloader tanks. yet, there is issue since I forgot to add option to disable sequential mode (auto round loading) http://feedback.rhsmods.org/view.php?id=1491 [^] create ticket about russian tanks lead not working and provide more info there if problem persist. I cannot replicate issue myself |
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(0003173) Numrollen (reporter) 2015-12-20 18:33 |
So its a feature i cant load another type of ammo? the autoloading of russian tank cant take ammo out of the barrel? i dont understand it. And what did you forgot? tank lead ok. |
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(0003175) reyhard (administrator) 2015-12-20 18:41 |
yes, you can't unload shell from autoloader mechanism. I forget to add mode where sequential reloading is turned off + t72 should have that sequential mode removed http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/EQP/al-80.html [^] "What makes T-64-style autoloader notably faster than that of T-72 is the presence of 'sequence' mode. When it is enabled, the loading mechanism continuously loads the rounds of the same type without any gunners intervention. In addition, the rotation of the carousel to get the new round is done immediately after the previous round has been loaded, in parallel with the firing procedure. This allows to perform all the blocking loading operations in under 5 seconds. T-90 has received similar advancement in autoloader logic. " |
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(0003225) Damian (reporter) 2015-12-22 14:28 |
Numrollen, most autoloaders, actually almost all of them, are unable to unload shell from the main gun, when it's loaded, in such case you need to remove it manually, which takes time and is dangerous, or fire it. The only autoloaders designed to be capable to unload the main gun, were ones developed in USA by Meggitt Defense Systems, and tested in some future tank projects as well as on some proposed M1 tank upgrades. |
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(0003228) Bad Tankman (viewer) 2015-12-22 15:20 edited on: 2015-12-22 15:23 |
Off course there is possibility to manually unload cannon. Problem is with the round that were unloaded. You can use autoloader same as with loading ammo to carusel, but it require time. Its just a question of opening the gun lock (zamek działa) and you can get the round (round and propelling charge). We had to do this 4 times in our whole carrer. EDIT if someone dont believe me: http://www.dws.org.pl/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=122603 [^] |
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(0003229) reyhard (administrator) 2015-12-22 15:52 |
lol, do you even read what you post? "W takiej sytuacji najlepiej jest strzelić odłamkowym i szybko załadować ppanc. Trafienie odłamkowym na pewno na tyle oszołomi załogę obcego, że będzie czas na załadowanie pepanca i poprawienie mu uczciwie. A nawet jak się trafi za blisko (strzał krótki) - to uniemożliwi mu się na chwilę (kilka ... kilkanaście sekund) obserwację by mieć czas na powtórkę pepancem. Zresztą wiem od oficerów z 1DPanc, że stosowano zasadę jazdy z nabojem kruszącym w lufie. Co do automatu ładowania - T-72 rozładowanie armaty odbywa się przez wystrzał." "Co do automatu ładowania - T-72 rozładowanie armaty odbywa się przez wystrzał." |
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(0003240) Bad Tankman (viewer) 2015-12-23 09:27 edited on: 2015-12-23 09:28 |
I know it look weird, but its truth. All canon's lock can be easly opened. Its for situation with misfire. We had this situation on training on second day with T-72 (great welcoming to army). We had to open the lock, get propelland charge, wait, wait, wait .... no matter. I was meaning this post: "Aby rozładować armatę, wystarczy posłużyć się dźwignią otwierania zamka. Zwykle znajduje się ona po prawej stronie nasady zamkowej. Po otwarciu zamka (opuszczeniu, lub przesunięciu klina zamkowego) łapki wyrzutnika wysuną nabój z komory nabojowej. Potem pozostaje tylko coś z tym nabojem zrobić. Automat ładujący nie ma tu nic do rzeczy, poza tym, że zajmuje sporo miejsca w czołgu i manewrować usuniętym nabojem jest jeszcze trudniej. Trochę więcej zamieszania jest z amunicją rozdzielnego ładowania, bo w tym przypadku wyrzutnik usunie z komory nabojowej tylko łuskę, pocisk albo wysunie się pod wpływem własnego ciężaru, albo trzeba mu pomóc stosownym narzędziem. " |
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(0003242) reyhard (administrator) 2015-12-23 10:21 |
and what about that? "Wyjęcie to problem, bo trzeba wybijać pocisk od wylotu np. wyciorem z jakąś rurką, dlatego raczej stosuje się wymianę ładunku miotającego. Z tego widać, że rozdzielne ładowanie w czołgu to nie najszczęśliwszy wynalazek... Pozdrawiam" |
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(0003246) Bad Tankman (viewer) 2015-12-23 14:12 |
Może przejdę na Polski. U nas za pierwszym razem zablokowało (nie wypalił) pocisk Burzaco-odłamkowy. Po długim czekaniu i ponaglaniu o dołączeniu do formacji użyliśmy właśnie wycioru. Nie powiem - to była głupota, i nigdy już bym tego nie zrobił. Natomiast podobnie można zrobić z każdym pociskiem którego nie odpalono - otwiera się zamek, wyjmuje ładunek miotający, kładzie się na "łódce" od automatu, ostrożnie wyjmuje się pocisk, kładzie na łódce od automatu, przestawia się na panelu by automat zamiast do działa załadował pocisk do automatu i po sprawie - problem w tym że to strasznie czasochłonne i ryzykowne, bo nie jest tajemnicą ile w teciakach jest miejsca na takie "manewry". Jak doda się presję, jazdę po wertepach, zagrożenie ognia to już w ogóle lepiej wystrzelić i mieć z głowy. Oczywiście na silnik army 3 jest metoda - grałem kiedyś właśnie twoim zestawem Teciaków "RDS_agressors" czy jakoś tak - podobało mi się rozwiązanie ładowania pocisków z poza automatu - i tutaj możnaby to niejako podobnie rozwiązać. Standardowe ładowanie zostawić jak jest (to z używaniem X do przełączania NASTĘPNEGO ładowanego pocisku), a ładowanie pocisku za pomocą menu akcji powinno trwać ok 20-30 sekund. Przynajmniej jak bym tak zrobił, zróbcie jak uważacie. |
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(0003258) reyhard (administrator) 2015-12-24 08:44 edited on: 2015-12-24 08:46 |
"Standardowe ładowanie zostawić jak jest (to z używaniem X do przełączania NASTĘPNEGO ładowanego pocisku), a ładowanie pocisku za pomocą menu akcji powinno trwać ok 20-30 sekund." jak grochem o ściane. "bo trzeba wybijać pocisk od wylotu np. wyciorem z jakąś rurką", od wylotu, tj od zewnątrz. Nie zrobisz tego od środka. ergo nie powinno być takiej możliwość w menu |
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(0003261) Bad Tankman (viewer) 2015-12-24 11:10 |
Ale reyhard, to w przypadku niewypału :) Jak normalny pocisk chcesz wyjąc to nie ma problemu ;) |
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(0003262) reyhard (administrator) 2015-12-24 11:16 |
nie ma różnicy czy to był niewypał czy też nie - pocisk tak samo leży |
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(0003263) Bad Tankman (viewer) 2015-12-24 11:22 edited on: 2015-12-24 13:59 |
Zależy jaki. My 3 razy wyjmowaliśmy kumulacyjny w ten sposób, wychodził ciężko, ale było za co złapać. W zasadzie to fakt, lepiej to usunąc, bo nie ma jak tego a grze umieścić. Tylko pasowałoby w takim razie zwiększyć zapas amunicji o tą, co jest poza automatem. Bo puki co trafisz w wieżę, to i tak cały czołg ma ten sławny "status red" No i jest jeszcze drugi problem. Jak jesteś dowódcą w czołgu i każesz działonowemu wybrać działo, masz w menu akcji opcje zmiany amunicji i następuje to standardową szybkością. Jak to rozwiązać? A i jeszcze jedno - jak skończy mi się amunicja danego typu a nie ustawię przełącznika na inny pocisk, wystrzelę ostatni pocisk, to nie ma opcji załadowania innego typu. |
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(0003276) Kartaviy (viewer) 2015-12-24 21:46 edited on: 2015-12-24 22:28 |
Почему в танках Т72/80/90 уже заряжен бронебойный снаряд без моего ведома? 0.4.0.1 https://youtu.be/W8UywAJE_Yk [^] |
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(0003301) Michalm1393 (viewer) 2015-12-25 14:23 |
@Kartaviy - it works WHEN YOU SPAWN AS GUNNER. WHen you get in emplty tank i has default loadout (same as for AI) |
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| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
| 2015-12-18 14:45 | GGG3 | New Issue | |
| 2015-12-18 14:55 | Bad Tankman | Note Added: 0003103 | |
| 2015-12-19 14:51 | reyhard | Note Added: 0003130 | |
| 2015-12-19 14:55 | 7ftnick | Note Added: 0003131 | |
| 2015-12-19 14:58 | 7ftnick | Note Added: 0003132 | |
| 2015-12-19 15:59 | Bad Tankman | Note Added: 0003135 | |
| 2015-12-19 16:00 | Bad Tankman | Note Edited: 0003135 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 17:16 | reyhard | Note Added: 0003139 | |
| 2015-12-19 19:27 | Bad Tankman | Note Added: 0003141 | |
| 2015-12-19 19:35 | GGG3 | Note Added: 0003142 | |
| 2015-12-19 19:46 | GGG3 | Description Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 19:46 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 19:47 | GGG3 | Note Added: 0003145 | |
| 2015-12-19 19:48 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 19:50 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003145 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 19:51 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003145 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 19:54 | GGG3 | Description Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 19:54 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003145 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 19:58 | GGG3 | Description Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 19:58 | GGG3 | Steps to Reproduce Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:00 | GGG3 | Description Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:02 | GGG3 | Description Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:07 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:16 | GGG3 | Description Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:17 | GGG3 | Note Added: 0003146 | |
| 2015-12-19 20:35 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:36 | GGG3 | Note Deleted: 0003146 | |
| 2015-12-19 20:40 | GGG3 | Description Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:40 | GGG3 | Steps to Reproduce Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:40 | GGG3 | Note Deleted: 0003145 | |
| 2015-12-19 20:41 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:46 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:47 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:48 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:48 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:48 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:50 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:53 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 20:55 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:00 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:01 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:03 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:05 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:05 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:06 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:10 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:14 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:14 | GGG3 | Description Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:15 | GGG3 | Description Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:19 | GGG3 | Description Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:21 | GGG3 | Note Added: 0003147 | |
| 2015-12-19 21:22 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:24 | GGG3 | Steps to Reproduce Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:24 | GGG3 | Steps to Reproduce Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:27 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:28 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:29 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:31 | GGG3 | Note Edited: 0003142 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:33 | GGG3 | Description Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:33 | GGG3 | Steps to Reproduce Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-19 21:34 | GGG3 | Description Updated | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-20 14:18 | reyhard | Note Added: 0003156 | |
| 2015-12-20 16:22 | Numrollen | Note Added: 0003159 | |
| 2015-12-20 17:55 | Numrollen | Note Edited: 0003159 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-20 17:58 | Numrollen | Note Edited: 0003159 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-20 18:07 | reyhard | Note Added: 0003165 | |
| 2015-12-20 18:12 | Numrollen | Note Edited: 0003159 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-20 18:33 | Numrollen | Note Added: 0003173 | |
| 2015-12-20 18:41 | reyhard | Note Added: 0003175 | |
| 2015-12-22 14:28 | Damian | Note Added: 0003225 | |
| 2015-12-22 15:20 | Bad Tankman | Note Added: 0003228 | |
| 2015-12-22 15:22 | Bad Tankman | Note Edited: 0003228 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-22 15:23 | Bad Tankman | Note Edited: 0003228 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-22 15:52 | reyhard | Note Added: 0003229 | |
| 2015-12-23 09:27 | Bad Tankman | Note Added: 0003240 | |
| 2015-12-23 09:28 | Bad Tankman | Note Edited: 0003240 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-23 10:21 | reyhard | Note Added: 0003242 | |
| 2015-12-23 14:12 | Bad Tankman | Note Added: 0003246 | |
| 2015-12-24 08:44 | reyhard | Note Added: 0003258 | |
| 2015-12-24 08:44 | reyhard | Status | new => resolved |
| 2015-12-24 08:44 | reyhard | Fixed in Version | => 0.4.1 |
| 2015-12-24 08:44 | reyhard | Resolution | open => fixed |
| 2015-12-24 08:44 | reyhard | Assigned To | => reyhard |
| 2015-12-24 08:46 | reyhard | Note Edited: 0003258 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-24 11:10 | Bad Tankman | Note Added: 0003261 | |
| 2015-12-24 11:16 | reyhard | Note Added: 0003262 | |
| 2015-12-24 11:22 | Bad Tankman | Note Added: 0003263 | |
| 2015-12-24 11:24 | Bad Tankman | Note Edited: 0003263 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-24 11:25 | Bad Tankman | Note Edited: 0003263 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-24 11:25 | Bad Tankman | Note Edited: 0003263 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-24 11:28 | Bad Tankman | Note Edited: 0003263 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-24 11:40 | Bad Tankman | Note Edited: 0003263 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-24 13:59 | Bad Tankman | Note Edited: 0003263 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-24 21:46 | Kartaviy | Note Added: 0003276 | |
| 2015-12-24 22:28 | Kartaviy | Note Edited: 0003276 | View Revisions |
| 2015-12-25 14:23 | Michalm1393 | Note Added: 0003301 | |
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