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0005555AFRF[All Projects] Generalpublic2020-03-25 20:092020-07-24 13:46
Reportermilitary_mat 
Assigned ToPuFu 
PrioritynoneSeveritytweakReproducibilityalways
StatusclosedResolutionno change required 
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Product Version 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Is it a wish/request?No
RHS versionStable
Arma 3 version1.96
Did you used any other mod when the error occurred?No
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Summary0005555: Unrealistically poor accuracy from 7.62x39mm AKs
DescriptionAll of the 7.62x39mm AKs have unrealistically poor accuracy compared to their real life counterparts. Perhaps I maybe incorrect with the standards of older models but newer AKs such as the AK103 and AK104 have tests online with them shooting on average of 3 MOA with some showing groups as small as 2 MOA.

I measured the accuracy in ACE arsenal and it shows all of the 7.62x39mm AKs at 7.2 MOA which extremely high. Ideally, this should be comparable or just slightly higher than the MOA of the 5.45x39mm AKs. Their MOA is 3.2. For reference, the M4 and M16 platforms in RHSUSAF are at 3 MOA.
Steps To ReproduceTo check accuracy, load ACE arsenal and select the weapon. Accuracy will be listed in MILs and MOA in a table next to the weapon selection list.
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2020-03-25 20:09military_matNew Issue
2020-03-25 20:31PuFuNote Added: 0010420
2020-03-25 20:31PuFuStatusnew => closed
2020-03-25 20:31PuFuAssigned To => PuFu
2020-03-25 20:31PuFuResolutionopen => no change required
2020-03-25 22:29military_matFile Added: 20200325162438_1.jpg
2020-03-25 22:30military_matNote Added: 0010423
2020-07-02 02:34IvanowiczNote Added: 0010831
2020-07-02 14:51battleshipfreeNote Added: 0010833
2020-07-24 13:46IvanowiczNote Added: 0010873

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(0010420)
PuFu   
2020-03-25 20:31   
7+ moa sounds way off, try without any other mods besides RHS, ACE included, and do that test yourself, you can even disable sway altogether so it has zero effect on aim
(0010423)
military_mat   
2020-03-25 22:30   
Screenshot for reference. I only used ACE, CBA, and RHSAFRF.
(0010831)
Ivanowicz   
2020-07-02 02:34   
Tested with RHS only - the dispersion values shown by ACE seem to be correct, at least when looking at the 7.62x39mm guns through config viewer (unless I'm missing some other value that influences accuracy). The dispersion is set to 0.0021 for all fire modes, and according to the BI wiki 1 mil = 0.001 dispersion, which seems to give us pretty much exactly 7.2 MOA.
(0010833)
battleshipfree   
2020-07-02 14:51   
That incredibly high dispersion values for 7.62 AKs might be for balance purposes, since RHS needs this 7.2 MOA to prevent poor-trained AIs with AKMs from doing headshots. Just consider this as lacking proper maintenance (well, R.I.P AK-103/104).
(0010873)
Ivanowicz   
2020-07-24 13:46   
I would really hope that's not the case (I think PuFu makes it rather clear that it shouldn't be), but if it was I would prefer for mission makers to be able to specify the shooters skill, instead of it being gun dependant. And as you said, RIP any more modern 7.62x39 guns.