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0004735USAF[All Projects] Generalpublic2018-11-28 08:262019-01-22 22:48
ReporterMADBUG 
Assigned Toreyhard 
PrioritynoneSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
StatusclosedResolutionsuspended 
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Product Version 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Is it a wish/request?No
RHS version
Arma 3 versiondevbranch
Did you used any other mod when the error occurred?Yes
Which mods?RHS mods
Summary0004735: BUSK armor too powerfull against AT HE
DescriptionBUSK can fully stop not only RPG shots but also early tank AT HE like ZBK18M
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https://feedback.rhsmods.org/file_download.php?file_id=1910&type=bug
Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2018-11-28 08:26MADBUGNew Issue
2018-11-28 08:26MADBUGFile Added: 20181128101538_1.jpg
2018-11-28 08:43reyhardNote Added: 0008792
2018-11-28 08:43reyhardAssigned To => reyhard
2018-11-28 08:43reyhardStatusnew => feedback
2018-11-28 10:20MADBUGNote Added: 0008794
2018-11-28 10:20MADBUGStatusfeedback => new
2018-11-28 10:46reyhardNote Added: 0008795
2018-11-28 10:46reyhardStatusnew => feedback
2018-11-28 14:19MADBUGNote Added: 0008796
2018-11-28 14:19MADBUGStatusfeedback => new
2018-11-28 16:18reyhardNote Added: 0008797
2018-11-28 16:18reyhardStatusnew => feedback
2018-11-28 16:23DamianNote Added: 0008798
2019-01-22 22:48reyhardStatusfeedback => closed
2019-01-22 22:48reyhardResolutionopen => suspended

Notes
(0008792)
reyhard   
2018-11-28 08:43   
why do you think it's too powerful? 3bk18 has very similar penetration level to PG7VL
(0008794)
MADBUG   
2018-11-28 10:20   
I assume that on info about penetration decrease of kontakt-1.
https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2017/12/t-72-part-2-protection-good-indication.html#kontakt_1 [^]
"Furthermore, NII Stali claims that Kontakt-1 can reduce the penetration power of a typical anti-tank missile using the Konkurs as an example (130mm diameter) by up to 86%, or 58% for a 125mm HEAT shell, or up to a whopping 92% for smaller sized warheads like the one on the 66mm LAW."

I can understand that there are a more advanced reactive blocks could be used on todays vehicles but difference between stopping power against something like an RPG and tank shell should be more significant than it is now.
(0008795)
reyhard   
2018-11-28 10:46   
Have you checked what is penetration level of PG7VL & 3BK18? ;)

NII Stali made bold generalization, I could say that K1 provide 100% effectiveness against RPG. It wouldn't be false if they meant i.e. RPG-18 - they didn't specified it so above statement is still true. ;)
(0008796)
MADBUG   
2018-11-28 14:19   
I am not stating what could penetrate what. I am saying that tank HE should not be stopped by M19 blocks as good as RPG. https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/965356328446216429/917943CBC4F520363C3CD0B4D8E598AE10B1E47E/ [^]
M19 is similar in construction to K1 (V sahped ERA) and i think if NII Stali could say that K1 is similary capable of stopping tank HE to RPG or ATGM they would say so but they didn't. But for now i can't provide something else to support my words.
(0008797)
reyhard   
2018-11-28 16:18   
If BUSK provides protection against PG7VL (~500mm RHA CE penetration) why it wouldn't protect against 3BK18 (also ~500mm RHA CE)?

M19 ARAT-1 protects against approximately 550mm RHA CE threats,
K1 is estimated at around 400mm.

If you have some data like i.e. tests of HEAT rounds against M19 then we could compare it with other data we have.
(0008798)
Damian   
2018-11-28 16:23   
TUSK and BUSK ERA works properly in RHS as far as we know about it's performance. And no, neither ARAT no BRAT ERA is similiar to K1. K1 at most have two layers, ARAT/BRAT have multilayer design with passive layers between ERA modules, so I would say it's even better than 0000188:0000500-550mm protection equivalent vs HEAT.