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0004397USAF[All Projects] Generalpublic2018-08-17 18:022018-08-18 14:28
Reporterricnunes 
Assigned ToPuFu 
PrioritynoneSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
StatusclosedResolutionno change required 
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Is it a wish/request?No
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Arma 3 version1.84
Did you used any other mod when the error occurred?No
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Summary0004397: IHADSS Helmet
DescriptionThe latest implementations on the AH-64D Apache helicopter with update 0.4.6 makes the AH-64D almost unplayable in some situations specially during night time hence why I categorized this issue report as "major".
One of the main reasons for this is the recent "IHADSS Helmet" implementation. Below I'll describe this with more detail.

Despite the new IHADSS implementation looks very interesting at first glance I must say (and sorry for this) that in practical terms it doesn't work well and neither it is more realistic than the "vanilla" HMD implementations or the IHADSS implementation in the previous versions of RHS and this is why:

1- IHADSS is not an helmet! IHADSS, more precisely the IHADSS HDU (which is the monocular device that transmits flight data and night vision to the pilot) is a device that's attached to an helmet and not the helmet. Look here:
https://www.militaryaerospace.com/content/dam/mae/online-articles/2015/February/Apache%20helmet%2016%20Feb%202015.jpg [^]

This is the IHADSS HDU:
http://www.flightgear.dk/pic/hidss.jpg [^]
This latest image clearly shows that the HDU in not the Helmet. More precisely, the IHADSS HDU is a device that is attached and comes with the helicopter and not (directly) with the helmet.
Or resuming, the IHADSS HDU is something that can be easily attached (and detached) to any helmet.


2- When using IHADSS night vision, IHADSS stops showing the flight and targeting information (there's no flight/target information overlaying the termal imagery). Moreover, the black and white termal imagery is horrible for navigation. All of this makes night time navigation which is one of IHADSS main features/purposes totally useless, I'm afraid.
I would advise using either the green termal imagery or perhaps and better yet, the "standard NVG" imagery as a placeholder.
And of course the flight/targeting information should always be present even when the night vision is enabled.


3- Related to the previous points, with the current implementation it is impossible to attach Night Vision Googles (NVGs) to the helmet. If this would be possible (like it is in real life, see image below) at least it would partially fix problem 2-
Attaching and using NVGs alternatively with IHADSS is possible and often used operationally as it can be seen in the photo below:
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/D4WNED/a-pilot-equipped-with-night-vision-goggles-in-the-cockpit-of-an-ah-D4WNED.jpg [^]

So technically any helmet can be fitted with IHADSS which IMO contradicts a bit the new feature of having a dedicated helmet for using IHADSS. But if this "strategy" is to be followed in the future than I would advise to let the player to be able to attach NVGs to the "IHADSS helmet" - this at least would partially solve problems 2- and 3-
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Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2018-08-17 18:02ricnunesNew Issue
2018-08-17 18:03ricnunesDescription Updatedbug_revision_view_page.php?rev_id=5412#r5412
2018-08-17 19:04reyhardSeveritymajor => minor
2018-08-17 19:19reyhardNote Added: 0008173
2018-08-17 20:04ricnunesNote Added: 0008178
2018-08-17 20:10reyhardNote Added: 0008180
2018-08-17 23:46PuFuNote Added: 0008190
2018-08-17 23:46PuFuStatusnew => closed
2018-08-17 23:46PuFuAssigned To => PuFu
2018-08-17 23:46PuFuResolutionopen => no change required
2018-08-18 14:28ricnunesNote Added: 0008202

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(0008173)
reyhard   
2018-08-17 19:19   
Whole idea of IHADSS item is to prohibit of standard NVG usage. It was already explained on forums that NVGs are not "often used operationally". Lack of PIP transparency is known issue but I didn't have time to figure out how to achieve that effect but there are some possible improvements.
(0008178)
ricnunes   
2018-08-17 20:04   
With all due respect the "Whole idea of IHADSS item is to prohibit of standard NVG usage" is flawed even from a realism perspective.
We could argue all day long how "often" were/are the NVGs used by Apache pilots but the fact is that they can be used and they were already used operationally (again, independently how often this happened). The links to pictures that I posted on the report description clearly proves this (IMO, beyond any doubt).
(0008180)
reyhard   
2018-08-17 20:10   
Well, you can still swap between regular helmet and one with hdu - effect will be same. You cannot use nvg and hdu at same time so realism perspective is correct
(0008190)
PuFu   
2018-08-17 23:46   
there is no point arguing indeed. closing
(0008202)
ricnunes   
2018-08-18 14:28   
Why are you closing this issue?

You want to keep the current implementation of having a dedicated IHADSS helmet, ok fine, I get it.

But how about the IHADSS/HDU not showing the flight information (airspeed, altitude, torque, etc...) and targeting information when the night/termal vision is selected? Don't you think this is an issue?
This is IMO the main issue here. Not showing the flight/target information plus the very poor quality termal vision makes again, flying and fighting with the Apache at night pretty much useless and an almost impossible task.

Also I don't get the "there is no point arguing indeed". I thought you wanted feedback...