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0003880AFRF[All Projects] Generalpublic2017-12-26 11:202018-01-06 17:03
Reporterkibyde 
Assigned Toreyhard 
PrioritynoneSeveritymajorReproducibilityalways
StatusclosedResolutionno change required 
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Is it a wish/request?No
RHS version
Arma 3 version1.80
Did you used any other mod when the error occurred?No
Which mods?
Summary0003880: Mi-24 all models AI gunner has problems detecting enemies
DescriptionIn Singleplayer scenarios long range missile attacks are more or less impossible since the AI gunner is not able to detect even large targets like tanks from afar
Steps To ReproduceDisable automatic player contact reporting in ArmA options
Place Mi-24 with crew at flight altitude
Place enemy tank 2km away from Mi-24
Play as Mi-24 pilot
AI gunner will not detect the enemy tank even though it is visible with bare eyes from the pilot seat.
Additional InformationWhen repeating the steps above but placing an Mi-48 Kajman instead the AI gunner will spot the enemy tank easily after a few seconds
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Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2017-12-26 11:20kibydeNew Issue
2017-12-26 19:55reyhardNote Added: 0007267
2017-12-26 19:55reyhardAssigned To => reyhard
2017-12-26 19:55reyhardStatusnew => feedback
2017-12-27 04:18kibydeNote Added: 0007268
2017-12-27 04:18kibydeStatusfeedback => new
2017-12-27 12:55reyhardNote Added: 0007269
2017-12-27 12:55reyhardStatusnew => feedback
2017-12-28 08:51kibydeNote Added: 0007270
2017-12-28 08:51kibydeStatusfeedback => new
2018-01-06 16:42reyhardNote Added: 0007289
2018-01-06 16:42reyhardStatusnew => closed
2018-01-06 16:42reyhardResolutionopen => no change required
2018-01-06 17:03reyhardNote Edited: 0007289bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=7289#r4970

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(0007267)
reyhard   
2017-12-26 19:55   
what kind of distances are you talking about? Mi-24 doesn't have any sensors so it's quite expected that it's blind on it's own
(0007268)
kibyde   
2017-12-27 04:18   
2km with free line of sight. At the moment the AI does not detect them at all at this range although they are visible with bare eyes from the pilot seat.
If you get closer, like 1km hovering, it will detect enemy vehicles like tanks but it takes quite a while.
If you fly towards the enemy the AI gunner often detects the enemy too late, when they are right below you, firing at you.
Given that the gunner has magnifying optics he should be able to detect enemies early otherwise you can't eliminate anti-air guns from long distance with missiles.
The Kajman gunner seems to work alright with active radar turned off.
(0007269)
reyhard   
2017-12-27 12:55   
Mi-48 has also IRST ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infra-red_search_and_track [^] ) which enhance target detection. Have you tried increasing AI skills? On my end AI is able to detect targets normally ~1.5km. Have you tried using Mi-24 scope? It's quite hard to do target acquisition in flying helicopter with such device. Mi-24 is not Anti Air suppression vehicle by any mean and you should be extremely careful when trying to deal with AA threats.
(0007270)
kibyde   
2017-12-28 08:51   
Yes, with the increased AI skills the gunner picks up targets at about 1.5km
It just feels a bit odd when you can see the targets with bare eyes at 2km and want the AI to engage them but they just can't do it. I managed to work around it by swapping seats to the gunner position, identify the targets with the scope and swap back to pilot seat but it feels a bit like a cheap trick.
BTW in the Mi-24D & V version I cannot tell the AI gunner to aim at the next target (default key "R"). In the G version (Superhind) this is possible probably because of the sensor/radar. Is this behaviour intended? The only way to assign targets to the AI gunner in the D & V versions is via the command menu which works but is cumbersome especially in combat.
(0007289)
reyhard   
2018-01-06 16:42   
(edited on: 2018-01-06 17:03)
"Is this behaviour intended? " yes, it is.

behaviour of mi24 seems ok for me so I'm closing this ticket for now as it seems a little bit exaggerated. AI is able to detect enemy vehicle for me from ~2km and from that distance enemy vehicle is kind of small dot on the horizon.