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0001257AFRF[All Projects] Generalpublic2015-10-08 13:192015-10-15 11:22
ReporterBad Tankman 
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PrioritynoneSeverityfeatureReproducibilityunable to reproduce
StatusnewResolutionopen 
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Arma 3 version1.50
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Summary0001257: Please, add some operators with laser designators to give targets for laser guided bombs (for both factions)
DescriptionWe have jets with laser guided bombs - great, but there is nobody who will mark target with laser. Please add someone for Russians and for Americans. Americans now have JTAC operator, but he have only laser range finder. Russians have noone.
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2015-10-08 13:19Bad TankmanNew Issue
2015-10-09 12:30PuFuNote Added: 0002536
2015-10-09 12:43Bad TankmanNote Added: 0002537
2015-10-09 12:44Bad TankmanNote Edited: 0002537bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=2537#r1124
2015-10-09 18:34Bad TankmanNote Added: 0002538
2015-10-09 18:52Bad TankmanNote Edited: 0002538bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=2538#r1126
2015-10-09 18:55Bad TankmanNote Edited: 0002538bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=2538#r1127
2015-10-09 19:02Bad TankmanNote Edited: 0002538bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=2538#r1128
2015-10-14 12:11asteliksNote Added: 0002584
2015-10-14 13:19Bad TankmanNote Added: 0002585
2015-10-14 13:21Bad TankmanNote Edited: 0002585bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=2585#r1141
2015-10-14 20:55asteliksNote Added: 0002588
2015-10-15 10:30PuFuNote Added: 0002592
2015-10-15 11:20Bad TankmanNote Added: 0002594
2015-10-15 11:21Bad TankmanNote Edited: 0002594bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=2594#r1143
2015-10-15 11:22Bad TankmanNote Edited: 0002594bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=2594#r1144

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PuFu   
2015-10-09 12:30   
afaik there is no handheld russian laser designator fielded or available
(0002537)
Bad Tankman   
2015-10-09 12:43   
(edited on: 2015-10-09 12:44)
So how they aqquire laser guided bombs? I try to search something today in the evening, there was some reports about bombarding in Syria, maybe somewhere is written, how they aqquire the bombs.
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Bad Tankman   
2015-10-09 18:34   
(edited on: 2015-10-09 19:02)
I guess it will be little harder than i tough, it will need a little rework of all russian bombs guidance, for US it will be much easier as some laser designators will be OK, on russian planes laser designators are mounted in bombs. Also some laser designators are mentioned here, but you need to take a lok at this.
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-GBU.html [^]

They even use Laser designators with MSTA :
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mstas/ [^]

This also may be usefull (if isnt implemented yet):
http://warfare.be/db/catid/254/linkid/2360/ [^]

https://twitter.com/nickjdweurope/status/650980020387753984 [^]


Its all i found, look like its another tabu topic, but they use integrated laser designators - how it works - i dont know, i wasnt a pilot ever, but i hope you will know. Once we know they are using GLONASS satelite giuding for bombs as well (i think it can be done by option in action menu "mark target (GLONASS) > opening mini-map > left click mouse button to mark target), and this "integrated" laser range finders are very precise.
(0002584)
asteliks   
2015-10-14 12:11   
Actually the Russian laser designation system is quite simple. Ground units such as infantry use the 1D15, 1D20, 1D22. Those are big static laser designator's mostly for FO's. It seam that Russians might have small laser designator's GRU Spetsnaz.

#Bad Tankman wiem że jesteś Polakiem wiec napiszę do cb po polsku. Nie ma w tym nic dziwnego że jeden samolot ma marker laserowy zamontowany i oświetla cel dla innych. A co do alltylery to większość rosyjskich pojazdów ma w sobie marker zamontowany tak na wszelki wypadek. Jak dostaliśmy od ruskich wersje eksportowe pojazdów to wszystko nam wymontowali. Jeszcze jedno uważaj co tu mówisz cześć z tych pojazdów nadal jest w naszym uzbrojeniu a kontr wywiad nieśpi czołgowy.
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Bad Tankman   
2015-10-14 13:19   
(edited on: 2015-10-14 13:21)
HAHA, Polak na Horyzoncie!!!!! No tego się nie spodziewałem, miło zobaczyć Polskie "napisy" ;). Nie byłem pilotem, tylko wyczytałem właśnie o tych "laserach" montowanych na samolotach. SU-25 ma taki na "nosie", co nawet w modelu już stworzonym nie trzeba przerabiać. Jakby połączyć to jakoś-takoś z tym co Oryginalna arma 3 oferuje - naprowadzanie pocisków standardową metodą, to by wystarczyło tak myślę, tylko gracz musiałby skierować samolot pod odpowiednim kątem przed wypuszczeniem bomby. Teraz muszę się pomęczyć po angielsku (ukończyłem kurs razem z synem 2 lata temu, byłem najstarszy w klasie :( ).

So i think the best possible solution for this will be to apply standard locking for targets (same as for guided missles) BUT with small diference, player need to be on specific angle for aqquire target, once target will be locked, he can drop the bomb and escape. Is it right or someone have diferent idea?
(0002588)
asteliks   
2015-10-14 20:55   
To nie do końca tak dział. SS-25 ma na nosie laserowy dalekomierz a nie marker. Służy on do korekty działa w HUD a nie do oświetlania celu.

The best way to solve this issue is to add Russian stationary laser designators, CCIP would be useful and pod laser target designators for jets but that requires two siters.
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PuFu   
2015-10-15 10:30   
@tankman - as i said before, there are no HANDheld laser designators. We'd rather model one of those rather than a tripod static one for obvious reasons.
That said, we are open to suggestions. If you can find reliable information about such a hand gadget, no matter if it is used onlu by Spetz or normal infantry, lets us know (that means info + images).
(0002594)
Bad Tankman   
2015-10-15 11:20   
(edited on: 2015-10-15 11:22)
Pufu - what about solution mentioned after?
"So i think the best possible solution for this will be to apply standard locking for targets (same as for guided missles) BUT with small diference, player need to be on specific angle for aqquire target, once target will be locked, he can drop the bomb and escape."

Eventually add functiion to lock target everywhere (on objects, peoples), and do the same for A-10

Off course it is all about designator mounted on BOMBS, not handheld or jets...