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0004735USAF[All Projects] Generalpublic2018-11-28 08:262018-11-28 16:23
ReporterMADBUG 
Assigned Toreyhard 
PrioritynoneSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
StatusfeedbackResolutionopen 
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0004735: BUSK armor too powerfull against AT HE
DescriptionBUSK can fully stop not only RPG shots but also early tank AT HE like ZBK18M
TagsNo tags attached.
Is it a wish/request?No
Arma 3 versiondevbranch
Did you used any other mod when the error occurred?Yes
Which mods?RHS mods
Attached Filesjpg file icon 20181128101538_1.jpg [^] (420,503 bytes) 2018-11-28 08:26

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(0008792)
reyhard (administrator)
2018-11-28 08:43

why do you think it's too powerful? 3bk18 has very similar penetration level to PG7VL
(0008794)
MADBUG (reporter)
2018-11-28 10:20

I assume that on info about penetration decrease of kontakt-1.
https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2017/12/t-72-part-2-protection-good-indication.html#kontakt_1 [^]
"Furthermore, NII Stali claims that Kontakt-1 can reduce the penetration power of a typical anti-tank missile using the Konkurs as an example (130mm diameter) by up to 86%, or 58% for a 125mm HEAT shell, or up to a whopping 92% for smaller sized warheads like the one on the 66mm LAW."

I can understand that there are a more advanced reactive blocks could be used on todays vehicles but difference between stopping power against something like an RPG and tank shell should be more significant than it is now.
(0008795)
reyhard (administrator)
2018-11-28 10:46

Have you checked what is penetration level of PG7VL & 3BK18? ;)

NII Stali made bold generalization, I could say that K1 provide 100% effectiveness against RPG. It wouldn't be false if they meant i.e. RPG-18 - they didn't specified it so above statement is still true. ;)
(0008796)
MADBUG (reporter)
2018-11-28 14:19

I am not stating what could penetrate what. I am saying that tank HE should not be stopped by M19 blocks as good as RPG. https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/965356328446216429/917943CBC4F520363C3CD0B4D8E598AE10B1E47E/ [^]
M19 is similar in construction to K1 (V sahped ERA) and i think if NII Stali could say that K1 is similary capable of stopping tank HE to RPG or ATGM they would say so but they didn't. But for now i can't provide something else to support my words.
(0008797)
reyhard (administrator)
2018-11-28 16:18

If BUSK provides protection against PG7VL (~500mm RHA CE penetration) why it wouldn't protect against 3BK18 (also ~500mm RHA CE)?

M19 ARAT-1 protects against approximately 550mm RHA CE threats,
K1 is estimated at around 400mm.

If you have some data like i.e. tests of HEAT rounds against M19 then we could compare it with other data we have.
(0008798)
Damian (reporter)
2018-11-28 16:23

TUSK and BUSK ERA works properly in RHS as far as we know about it's performance. And no, neither ARAT no BRAT ERA is similiar to K1. K1 at most have two layers, ARAT/BRAT have multilayer design with passive layers between ERA modules, so I would say it's even better than 0000188:0000500-550mm protection equivalent vs HEAT.

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2018-11-28 08:26 MADBUG New Issue
2018-11-28 08:26 MADBUG File Added: 20181128101538_1.jpg
2018-11-28 08:43 reyhard Note Added: 0008792
2018-11-28 08:43 reyhard Assigned To => reyhard
2018-11-28 08:43 reyhard Status new => feedback
2018-11-28 10:20 MADBUG Note Added: 0008794
2018-11-28 10:20 MADBUG Status feedback => new
2018-11-28 10:46 reyhard Note Added: 0008795
2018-11-28 10:46 reyhard Status new => feedback
2018-11-28 14:19 MADBUG Note Added: 0008796
2018-11-28 14:19 MADBUG Status feedback => new
2018-11-28 16:18 reyhard Note Added: 0008797
2018-11-28 16:18 reyhard Status new => feedback
2018-11-28 16:23 Damian Note Added: 0008798


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