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0004029USAF[All Projects] Generalpublic2018-03-13 20:272018-03-26 21:47
Assigned Toreyhard 
PrioritynoneSeveritytweakReproducibilityhave not tried
PlatformOSOS Version
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Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0004029: m1a1(ha) armor
DescriptionMaybe check current armor values and see if they match these new leaks. Also put Damian on suicide watch.
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Is it a wish/request?No
Arma 3 version1.80
Did you used any other mod when the error occurred?No
Which mods?
Attached Filesjpg file icon m1a1HA_abrams_coverage.jpg [^] (49,932 bytes) 2018-03-13 20:27

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Damian (reporter)
2018-03-13 21:32
edited on: 2018-03-13 21:34

Swedish trails never tested the US M1A2 armor.

Swedes only estimated protection of the M1A2 with Export Armor Package which is mentioned in Swedish documents (that I have in my archives), and Swedes only tested armor models of their own armor design that they wanted to use in M1A2's if they would purchase license for them and manufacture them.

US M1A2 used 2nd generation Heavy Armor Package which was not meant for export for non NATO members, in game we do not have basic M1A2 either, but M1A1SA, M1A1FEP and M1A2SEPv1 and all of them use even newer 3rd generation Heavy Armor Package, and also M1A1HC which uses 2nd generation Heavy Armor Package.

So no, we will not change anything, because what you show, is Export Armor Package, which was most likely based on the BRL-2 armor package used in the M1IP and basic M1A1.

igornoproblem (reporter)
2018-03-13 23:37

Damn I knew it would hit you hard, but this hard... RIP
Griggs (reporter)
2018-03-14 08:48

Maybe making good-old "stock" M1A1 or M1A1HA with this leaks will be possible? These elder variants really needed, bcuz there is no tanks in USAF to be equal to AFRF T-80BV and T-72B
Damian (reporter)
2018-03-14 16:08

It does not hit me hard or anything. I simply know what I am talking about.

In 1990's when Sweden was testing tanks as replacement for their Strv 103 and licensed Centurions, vehicles like M1A2SEPv1, M1A2SEPv2, M1A1SA and M1A1FEP did not existed with their 3rd generation Heavy Armor Package, these vehicles were designed and fielded in the early 2000's.

As for M1A2 for Sweden, even Swedish documents say that it was offered by US with Export Armor Package.

In one of their documents they wrote:

"Leopard 2 Improved hade framifrån det bästa ballistiska skyddet, skydd mot fientlig beskjutning, och var dessutom försedd med tilläggsskydd på torntaket. M1A2 hade ett ballistiskt skydd i exportversion. Skjutförsök mot dess bästa ballistiska skydd gjordes i USA. I övrigt var överlevnadsförmågan hos M1A2 bra då ammunitionen förvarades skild från besättningen."

Important is:

"M1A2 hade ett ballistiskt skydd i exportversion.".

Besides we have proof that armor on M1's was constantly being upgraded as on various prototypes or pilot vehicles for new series, there are welded weight simulators to simulate increased weight of the new armor, before it's added. As an example.

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/24/1434139645-m1e1-hull-front-plate.png [^]

Here is M1E1 and we can see besides turret front, also hull front was reinforced.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gi3YEoI-HDg/WdtJcPIMfjI/AAAAAAAANJM/GR7-I_eXfQchXjZllq9jwRWRxFV3efjDwCLcBGAs/s1600/DI-lbSTXYAAnkrp-2-840x557.jpg [^]

And here is example of M1A2SEPv3 Pilot Vehicle 4 that have substantial increase in armor mass as we can see massive weight simulators on turret and hull front.

And here are M1 series armor generations:

Generation 1 - M1 1980 (BRL-1)
Generation 1.5 - M1IP 1984 (Interim)
Generation 2 - M1A1 1985 (BRL-2)
Generation 3 - M1A1HA 1988 (1st Generation Heavy Armor Package)
Generation 4 - M1A1HA, M1A1HC, M1A2 1990-1993 (2nd Generation Heavy Armor Package)
Generation 5 - M1A1SA, M1A1FEP, M1A2SEPv1/v2 2000-2017 (3rd Generation Heavy Armor Package)
Generation 6 - M1A2SEPv3/v4 2017-20xx. (New Next Generation Armor Package)

What we currently have in game are vehicles with Generation 5 armor, what Swedes were offered in 1990's was Export Armor Package based on Generation 2 armor.

Is this clear?

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2018-03-13 20:27 igornoproblem New Issue
2018-03-13 20:27 igornoproblem File Added: m1a1HA_abrams_coverage.jpg
2018-03-13 21:32 Damian Note Added: 0007525
2018-03-13 21:34 Damian Note Edited: 0007525 View Revisions
2018-03-13 23:37 igornoproblem Note Added: 0007526
2018-03-14 08:48 Griggs Note Added: 0007528
2018-03-14 16:08 Damian Note Added: 0007534
2018-03-26 21:47 reyhard Status new => closed
2018-03-26 21:47 reyhard Assigned To => reyhard
2018-03-26 21:47 reyhard Resolution open => suspended

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