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0000608AFRF[All Projects] Generalpublic2015-05-06 10:542015-05-06 12:52
Reportercych 
Assigned ToMistyRonin 
PrioritynormalSeverityfeatureReproducibilityalways
StatusclosedResolutionno change required 
PlatformOSOS Version
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Target VersionFixed in Version 
Is it a wish/request?No
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Arma 3 version1.40
Did you used any other mod when the error occurred?No
Which mods?
Summary0000608: seat switch restriction for vehicles (added evidences)
DescriptionI opened a ticket to request a feature about seat switch restriction for some vehicles. the goal was to prevent player to be able to have seat switch option for vehicles who don't have this possibility in real life.

in these following vehicles the driver compartement is completely isolated from other seat compartement. there is no possibility to acces it via a trap or any other system.

M1 Abrams.


https://coreldraw.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.PostAttachments/00.00.19.22.18/M1A1-Abrams_2D00_cutaway_2D00_display.jpg_2D00_675x550.jpg [^]

T72/90 :

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product890.html [^]

BMP-2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-2 [^]

BMD-1/2

driver can only acces to comander (sits to his left side) or to a bow machine gun gunner (sits on his right side).

the Gunner seated in the turret is not accessible from driver seat, neither commander or bow machine gunner :


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMD-1 [^]


M109 Paladdin :

https://www.militaryperiscope.com/mdb-smpl/weapons/artguns/selfprop/w0003617.shtml [^]




if any of you have counter-argument to prove what i'm saying is wrong, please post. but don't close ticket without concrete evidences.


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duplicate of 0000604closed MistyRonin seat switching should ne be possible from some vehicle driver seat 
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Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2015-05-06 10:54cychNew Issue
2015-05-06 10:58cychNote Added: 0001341
2015-05-06 11:35MistyRoninNote Added: 0001342
2015-05-06 11:35MistyRoninRelationship addedduplicate of 0000604
2015-05-06 11:36MistyRoninNote Edited: 0001342bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=1342#r645
2015-05-06 11:38cychNote Added: 0001343
2015-05-06 11:38MistyRoninNote Edited: 0001342bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=1342#r646
2015-05-06 11:39cychNote Edited: 0001343bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=1343#r648
2015-05-06 11:40cychNote Edited: 0001343bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=1343#r649
2015-05-06 11:40cychNote Edited: 0001343bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=1343#r650
2015-05-06 11:42cychNote Edited: 0001343bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=1343#r651
2015-05-06 11:43cychNote Edited: 0001343bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=1343#r652
2015-05-06 11:44cychNote Edited: 0001343bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=1343#r653
2015-05-06 11:47cychNote Edited: 0001343bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=1343#r654
2015-05-06 11:47cychNote Edited: 0001343bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=1343#r655
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2015-05-06 11:49cychNote Edited: 0001343bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=1343#r657
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2015-05-06 11:51cychNote Edited: 0001343bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=1343#r659
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2015-05-06 11:52cychNote Edited: 0001343bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=1343#r661
2015-05-06 11:53cychNote Edited: 0001343bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=1343#r662
2015-05-06 11:54MistyRoninNote Added: 0001344
2015-05-06 11:54MistyRoninStatusnew => closed
2015-05-06 11:54MistyRoninAssigned To => MistyRonin
2015-05-06 11:54MistyRoninResolutionopen => no change required
2015-05-06 12:17MistyRoninNote Added: 0001345
2015-05-06 12:52MistyRoninNote Edited: 0001345bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=1345#r664

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(0001341)
cych   
2015-05-06 10:58   
Also if any of you eevr played Arma 2, this feature was part of the ACE 2 mod, which have been debated precisley during it's developpment, and we had former tank user confirming the feature.
(0001342)
MistyRonin   
2015-05-06 11:35   
(edited on: 2015-05-06 11:38)
Cych, so we are all on the same page, whenever we close a task is because we have asked our experts on the subject and took an informated decision (some of us are former or in-active military, additionally we have some students in military science).

So, for the good working of this tracker, I have to ask you to please stop creating duplicated issues.

On a side note, a good amount of us are in the community since OFP (including me). :)
(0001343)
cych   
2015-05-06 11:38   
(edited on: 2015-05-06 11:53)
with due all respect, you should reconsider some of your "experts"... :)

If they are not aware of such simple feature concerning the vehicles i mentionned that's embarrassing.

I'm still waiting for them to prove the contrary (pictures, datas, documents) of the sources I provided.

once again this feature has been already debated for ACE 2 years ago, and we had solid witnessing and documents proving this.

It's easy to close a ticket saying "our experts says it doesn't exist", rather than checking the obvious facts.
(0001344)
MistyRonin   
2015-05-06 11:54   
In fact, our experts have real life experience with those vehicles (they have been inside the vehicles you mentioned), and confirmed me again that is possible to move from the driver compartment to the gunner and commander positions.

Hence I proceed to close this thread once and for all, any more duplicates will be also closed.
(0001345)
MistyRonin   
2015-05-06 12:17   
(edited on: 2015-05-06 12:52)
Documentation on the matter provided by the experts:

M1 Abrams first:

http://hotdigitalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Abrams_Turret.jpg [^]

Turret basket visible, you can see openings through which driver can move inside turret.

http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-779447cea71c0791f360de47c7cf7707?convert_to_webp=true [^]

Here you can see mesh doors removed from gunner station and we can see a driver compartment where hatch is opened and sun light is visible. You can also see part of driver seat.

There are two such openings, one near loader station, second near gunner station. Driver to move from his station to turret, need to have turret rotated in such way that gunner or loader stations are in line with his station. Then gunner or loader needs to open a small sliding door made from steel mesh.

It is made so in case of emergency if his hatch can't be opened, driver can escape or be evacuated by other crew members through turret.

T-64/T-80/T-84 and T-72/T-90 autoloaders.

https://youtu.be/aD-GyRWohp8?t=2151 [^]

This video shows how driver can move in to turret in T-64/80/84 series of tanks, and shows that autoloader in T-72 is so low, that driver can move in to a turret tough it's not comfortable.

http://data.primeportal.net/tanks/marek_solar/t-72_int/t-72_int_15_of_32.JPG [^]

Here is T-72 from driver station, you can see there is enough space to crawl in to turret
: of course if turret is in proper positions, on the photo it isn't

https://youtu.be/7gx1-DLxcw0?t=780 [^] holes in bmd turret basket & cutovers from bmd https://youtu.be/ckYytN7eG98?t=327 [^]

http://www.brdm2.estranky.cz/img/original/24128/bvp-2-predni-bojova-cast.jpg [^]
BMP-2 drivers seat
at the edge of the picture, its the turret basket

https://youtu.be/zuNJqQIMEuI?t=40 [^]